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Malia Tate Theory

  • This is my theory about Malia Tate. I just wanted to see what everybody is thinking about her. Malia turned for the first time the night of the full moon. She lost control and she killed her mother and brother/sister so she has blue eyes and she is damned to live the rest of her life as a wolf or something.. other than the wolf part, it makes since right?! I can't wait to see what happens! What do you all think about it?

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    • It doesn't look like she is the killer, the scratch marks on the side of the car are too big for a 9 year old to do. We also shouldn't forget this is not a werewolf so the blue eyes may not mean she is a killer.

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    • Neilandio wrote:
      It doesn't look like she is the killer, the scratch marks on the side of the car are too big for a 9 year old to do. We also shouldn't forget this is not a werewolf so the blue eyes may not mean she is a killer.

      Im not saying she's a mass murdering killer, just that she could've lost control. What do you think it is if it isn't a werewolf?


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    • 166.137.156.44 wrote:
      Neilandio wrote:
      It doesn't look like she is the killer, the scratch marks on the side of the car are too big for a 9 year old to do. We also shouldn't forget this is not a werewolf so the blue eyes may not mean she is a killer.
      Im not saying she's a mass murdering killer, just that she could've lost control. What do you think it is if it isn't a werewolf?


      It was a WereCoyote, according to the Shapeshifters page on this site. We do not know if WereCoyotes share the same qualities as WereWolves, so the blue eyes may or may not mean she has killed an innocent person or people. 

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    • well we need more info before a okay theory can be provided

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    • PThere was something in the preview for next week about what could happen to Scott if he can't transform back after becoming a big bad wolf - he could stay that way. I'm thinking that that's most likely what happened to Malia - she transformed, and is stuck like that. Why a nine-year-old girl would be able to fully transform without being an alpha is a great question...which would make the coyote thing make a little more sense - coyotes are kind of (I'm stretching it) like small wolves. Who knows? Maybe the kitsune was there then, tricked her into transforming and all, and left her there. That'd be a nice twist.  

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    • I bet this girl knew Derek or Cora somehow 

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    • I'm from Texas and have seen plenty of coyotes, the animal in that episode was a young wolf not a coyote, I don't care what this site says. Coyotes and wolves look very different, coyotes almost have a fox like look to them. I haven't seen it anywhere that anything from the show confirms it to be a coyote other than that's what the people assumed it was. Let me say it again, even if the show says it was a coyote the animal in that episode was. a. wolf.

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    • 68.235.175.81 wrote: I'm from Texas and have seen plenty of coyotes, the animal in that episode was a young wolf not a coyote, I don't care what this site says. Coyotes and wolves look very different, coyotes almost have a fox like look to them. I haven't seen it anywhere that anything from the show confirms it to be a coyote other than that's what the people assumed it was. Let me say it again, even if the show says it was a coyote the animal in that episode was. a. wolf.

      Neither wolves or coyotes are a real issue where I am, so I had to look up images on google, and I agree, you're right, that wasn't a coyote they used. And the people that keep saying "you couldn't tell in the scene but you can in the other clips" are full of it, unless there are other clips than the 'next on' and the 'supertease' that I haven't found.

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    • LadyX wrote:

      68.235.175.81 wrote: I'm from Texas and have seen plenty of coyotes, the animal in that episode was a young wolf not a coyote, I don't care what this site says. Coyotes and wolves look very different, coyotes almost have a fox like look to them. I haven't seen it anywhere that anything from the show confirms it to be a coyote other than that's what the people assumed it was. Let me say it again, even if the show says it was a coyote the animal in that episode was. a. wolf.

      Neither wolves or coyotes are a real issue where I am, so I had to look up images on google, and I agree, you're right, that wasn't a coyote they used. And the people that keep saying "you couldn't tell in the scene but you can in the other clips" are full of it, unless there are other clips than the 'next on' and the 'supertease' that I haven't found.

      its funny cause when people saw the trailer they said it was a fox cause kira mentioned a kitsune before they showed the animal running. now they saying it a coyote cause the show is saying its a coyote. i agree with both of you and say its a wolf but it looks like they may have shaved the hair a little bit to make it look like a coyote or its a young wolf like one of you said. i think it was easier to use a trained wolf and thats why they did that lol of course i could be wrong and it could be a coyote but it looks alot like a wolf so im going with ITS A WOLF lol

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    • "malia+Tate"= Talia XD derek and cora mother

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    • PrimeEra wrote:
      "malia+Tate"= Talia XD derek and cora mother


      maybe she got bitten by talia, because talia have had the ability to transform into a real wolf and this girl to (as it seems). (only based on scots shadow which looks alot like peter in his alpha form, maybe werwolfs broadcast their abilities

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    • Truealpha521 wrote:

      LadyX wrote:

      68.235.175.81 wrote: I'm from Texas and have seen plenty of coyotes, the animal in that episode was a young wolf not a coyote, I don't care what this site says. Coyotes and wolves look very different, coyotes almost have a fox like look to them. I haven't seen it anywhere that anything from the show confirms it to be a coyote other than that's what the people assumed it was. Let me say it again, even if the show says it was a coyote the animal in that episode was. a. wolf.

      Neither wolves or coyotes are a real issue where I am, so I had to look up images on google, and I agree, you're right, that wasn't a coyote they used. And the people that keep saying "you couldn't tell in the scene but you can in the other clips" are full of it, unless there are other clips than the 'next on' and the 'supertease' that I haven't found.

      its funny cause when people saw the trailer they said it was a fox cause kira mentioned a kitsune before they showed the animal running. now they saying it a coyote cause the show is saying its a coyote. i agree with both of you and say its a wolf but it looks like they may have shaved the hair a little bit to make it look like a coyote or its a young wolf like one of you said. i think it was easier to use a trained wolf and thats why they did that lol of course i could be wrong and it could be a coyote but it looks alot like a wolf so im going with ITS A WOLF lol

      Seems to me they should be able to rent any animal they wanted. An actual coyote in California would probably be easier to come by IMO. Guess we will just have to wait and see

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    • PrimeEra wrote: "malia+Tate"= Talia XD derek and cora mother

      Interesting thought

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    • 89.26.54.175 wrote:
      PrimeEra wrote:
      "malia+Tate"= Talia XD derek and cora mother

      maybe she got bitten by talia, because talia have had the ability to transform into a real wolf and this girl to (as it seems). (only based on scots shadow which looks alot like peter in his alpha form, maybe werwolfs broadcast their abilities

      I'm thinking that Scott's shadow is mimicking Peter's alpha form because he's never experienced it himself. The whole darkness thing is obviously freaking him out, and what would be more dark than Peter's motives as alpha? I think he's just projecting what he thinks he'll turn into - remember, he's really only ever seen Peter as a basis for alpha form - while he's heard of Talia and has seen Deucalion somewhat transform (Deuc didn't really change that much), he hasn't seen much as far as a full alpha shift goes.

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    • LadyX wrote:

      Truealpha521 wrote:

      LadyX wrote:

      68.235.175.81 wrote: I'm from Texas and have seen plenty of coyotes, the animal in that episode was a young wolf not a coyote, I don't care what this site says. Coyotes and wolves look very different, coyotes almost have a fox like look to them. I haven't seen it anywhere that anything from the show confirms it to be a coyote other than that's what the people assumed it was. Let me say it again, even if the show says it was a coyote the animal in that episode was. a. wolf.

      Neither wolves or coyotes are a real issue where I am, so I had to look up images on google, and I agree, you're right, that wasn't a coyote they used. And the people that keep saying "you couldn't tell in the scene but you can in the other clips" are full of it, unless there are other clips than the 'next on' and the 'supertease' that I haven't found.

      its funny cause when people saw the trailer they said it was a fox cause kira mentioned a kitsune before they showed the animal running. now they saying it a coyote cause the show is saying its a coyote. i agree with both of you and say its a wolf but it looks like they may have shaved the hair a little bit to make it look like a coyote or its a young wolf like one of you said. i think it was easier to use a trained wolf and thats why they did that lol of course i could be wrong and it could be a coyote but it looks alot like a wolf so im going with ITS A WOLF lol

      Seems to me they should be able to rent any animal they wanted. An actual coyote in California would probably be easier to come by IMO. Guess we will just have to wait and see

      I've seen in person, in the wild, foxes, coyotes and wolves. That was a wolf, it absolutely wasn't a coyote (the animal I have the most experience with). I'm sure they could use whatever animal they wanted but it's not difficult to distinguish between the two and wolves are more commonly and more easily trained. Coyotes are VERY difficult to domesticate even if born in captivity as they are much more fearful than wolves.

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    • Also, the show may make it to be a werecoyote but the animal in the episode was a wolf. Sorry forgot to add that in the last post.

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    • The show may of not used a real coyote, but the synopsis for the next episode (More Bad Than Good) clearly states that it was indeed a WereCoyote: 

      "Scott and Stiles continue to search for the Werecoyote. ..."

      You can find several recaps for the episode that say Scott was chasing a coyote. As far as we are concerned, it was a coyote... whether they used a real one or not. 

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    • They could've used a coydog for the show.

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    • 69.43.211.164 wrote:
      They could've used a coydog for the show.

      That could be true and I'd put money on that being what they used. 

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    • Maybe with Malia being a werecoyote, she turned into a coyote during the full moon but the how idk.

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    • It's possibe that they used a wolf/dog/hybrid and they are going to say it's a coyote. All of those can be pretty similar and 90% of the viewers won't tell the difference. In fact it's very common for movies and TV shows to pass dogs as wolfs, so why not this time?

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    • who said that the animal is even the girl? Who said the even saw it? with all the dreams and stuff happening to them who says any of the first episode even happened?

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    • 108.218.169.89 wrote: who said that the animal is even the girl? Who said the even saw it? with all the dreams and stuff happening to them who says any of the first episode even happened?


      Maybe they wake up in the next episode? Since Jeff Davis said episode 1 and 2 are a two part one.

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    • My question is why her? Why do they have to solve this one out of the who knows how many supernatural cases that might have happend. Only think I can think of is that the Sherriff said that he sat and held a dying girls hand and asked him if he woudl rather be with his dying wife. And the he knew somthing was strange becouse when he got to the hospital she died. He said it was a car accident the girl died in. She was traped in a car and died before they got her out. Does that have something to do with why they need to solve this case over the countless others?

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    • 108.218.169.89 wrote: My question is why her? Why do they have to solve this one out of the who knows how many supernatural cases that might have happend. Only think I can think of is that the Sherriff said that he sat and held a dying girls hand and asked him if he woudl rather be with his dying wife. And the he knew somthing was strange becouse when he got to the hospital she died. He said it was a car accident the girl died in. She was traped in a car and died before they got her out. Does that have something to do with why they need to solve this case over the countless others?

      This can't be that case, because they said in this episode that this case they didn't find the car for three days and it looked scavenged by coyotes. Unless of course Jeff made another continuity error.

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    • 68.235.175.81 wrote:
      I'm from Texas and have seen plenty of coyotes, the animal in that episode was a young wolf not a coyote, I don't care what this site says. Coyotes and wolves look very different, coyotes almost have a fox like look to them. I haven't seen it anywhere that anything from the show confirms it to be a coyote other than that's what the people assumed it was. Let me say it again, even if the show says it was a coyote the animal in that episode was. a. wolf.

      Yep, that could not have been a Coyote.

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    • It has been confirmed in the show last night that it was a werewolf who became a coyote, I don't understand how a wolf becomes a coyote, and they don't make any effort to explain it, at first I just assumed it was a young wolf so Malia would obviously be one of those rare werewolves (even though he wouuld be the 3rd werewolf who could become a wolf on the show). However they make it adamant that its a coyote not a wolf. I hope they come back to this as it confused me.

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    • you are confused because it WASN'T confirmed as a werewolf that became a coyote - it was a confirmed werecoyote.

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    • LadyX wrote:

      Seems to me they should be able to rent any animal they wanted. An actual coyote in California would probably be easier to come by IMO. Guess we will just have to wait and see

      It's only easier to come by in California if you're looking for wild animals.

      Coyotes are much much much harder to train -- to the point where even trying to domesticate a coyote is illegal in several states. (Even domesticated coydogs are illegal in some states.) So, even if you were to find a trained coyote to use on your TV show, chances are the cost of using it would be astronomically higher than using an animal that looks similar -- you have to pay the trainers to be on set, you have to pay for the use of the animal, you have to pay insurance which I have no doubt is WAY higher for an animal as dangerous as that.

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    • Well, it's definitely a werecoyote. My question is when, how and by what was she attacked to become a werecoyote.

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    • Maybe whatever made the claws on the side of the car saw her dying n bit her n she somehow turned 

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    • True, just because Scott hypothesized that she was going through her first transformation and and caused the accident and mauled her family doesn't mean that's really what happened.

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    • LadyX wrote:
      Well, it's definitely a werecoyote. My question is when, how and by what was she attacked to become a werecoyote.

      Same here logically I'd say a werewolf bite that turned into something else like the Kanima but not sure.

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    • Trent22 wrote:

      LadyX wrote:
      Well, it's definitely a werecoyote. My question is when, how and by what was she attacked to become a werecoyote.

      Same here logically I'd say a werewolf bite that turned into something else like the Kanima but not sure.

      That's my theory too

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    • What Alphas would have bit her though? The only confirmed Alphas 8 years ago were Talia, Deuc, Ennis and Kali. 

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    • Bennett89 wrote: What Alphas would have bit her though? The only confirmed Alphas 8 years ago were Talia, Deuc, Ennis and Kali. 

      Well,I feel like we can safely rule Talia out, she's a mom, I can't see her turning a child and just abandoning her. I don't know about Ennis and Kali, but maybe, I could've been an accident. But Deucalion, now him I could see doing it. Recently blinded, angry, trying to cope. He might've ran into the vehicle scratched down the side, and got a kids arm, and not noticed.

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    • I don't think she was bitten by a werewolf -- I think it's a completely different race of shapeshifters.

      But even if it is a situation like the kanima, I'd bet it's not any Alpha we know about.

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    • Grahamburglar wrote: I don't think she was bitten by a werewolf -- I think it's a completely different race of shapeshifters.

      But even if it is a situation like the kanima, I'd bet it's not any Alpha we know about.

      If it is, I agree. It could easily have been a rogue alpha running through the territory and got ran off. But I do kind of like my Deucalion theory.

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    • LadyX wrote:

      Bennett89 wrote: What Alphas would have bit her though? The only confirmed Alphas 8 years ago were Talia, Deuc, Ennis and Kali. 

      Well,I feel like we can safely rule Talia out, she's a mom, I can't see her turning a child and just abandoning her. I don't know about Ennis and Kali, but maybe, I could've been an accident. But Deucalion, now him I could see doing it. Recently blinded, angry, trying to cope. He might've ran into the vehicle scratched down the side, and got a kids arm, and not noticed.


      This occured before he was blinded by 20 yrs i believe.

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    • well we know that there's a she wolf that isn't malia but not that malia has gone human maybe she'll be a werewolf know ala kanima style who knows they may never mention her again but she could've been biten by this mysterious she wolf

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    • Bennett89 wrote:

      LadyX wrote:

      Bennett89 wrote: What Alphas would have bit her though? The only confirmed Alphas 8 years ago were Talia, Deuc, Ennis and Kali. 

      Well,I feel like we can safely rule Talia out, she's a mom, I can't see her turning a child and just abandoning her. I don't know about Ennis and Kali, but maybe, I could've been an accident. But Deucalion, now him I could see doing it. Recently blinded, angry, trying to cope. He might've ran into the vehicle scratched down the side, and got a kids arm, and not noticed.


      This occured before he was blinded by 20 yrs i believe.

      First, I think you mean after. Secondly, How do you figure that? Visionary implied that Gerard blinded him when Derek was in high school, before the fire nearly 7 years ago. So that conference should've been 8-10 years ago, and the car accident with Malia was 9 years ago, putting it right in the middle of the potential timeline.

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    • 68.235.175.81 wrote:
      I'm from Texas and have seen plenty of coyotes, the animal in that episode was a young wolf not a coyote, I don't care what this site says. Coyotes and wolves look very different, coyotes almost have a fox like look to them. I haven't seen it anywhere that anything from the show confirms it to be a coyote other than that's what the people assumed it was. Let me say it again, even if the show says it was a coyote the animal in that episode was. a. wolf.

      no it wasn't.....

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    • AND GUYS THE SHE-WOLF IS CORA BECAUSE SHE IS THE ONE WHO LEFT BEACON HILLS WITH DEREK AT THE END OF SEASON 3.

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    • IJacksonVan wrote: AND GUYS THE SHE-WOLF IS CORA BECAUSE SHE IS THE ONE WHO LEFT BEACON HILLS WITH DEREK AT THE END OF SEASON 3.

      I agree, and I think people are waaaaaay overthinking it. They had t have a way of addressing Adalaide's absence, this was it, I think.

      Also, no matter what they called it, it did look like a young wolf in episode one, but in episode two I thought it looked like the coyote it was supposed to be

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    • Guys.... What if Malia had been turned by Peter? Derek did say something around the fact that it was her fault. All I know that Malia would not be nine years still. She'd be 17 just like the rest of our gang so my theory is that maybe they get Malia to change back somehow and didn't they desrcibe the blue eyes as a factor of murder or grief? If that's so then Malia's eyes could be blue because she lost her entire family.

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    • Peter wasn't an Alpha 8 years ago.

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    • 99.247.179.44 wrote: Guys.... What if Malia had been turned by Peter? Derek did say something around the fact that it was her fault. All I know that Malia would not be nine years still. She'd be 17 just like the rest of our gang so my theory is that maybe they get Malia to change back somehow and didn't they desrcibe the blue eyes as a factor of murder or grief? If that's so then Malia's eyes could be blue because she lost her entire family.

      The blue eyes symbolize the taking of an innocent life. If somebody takes an INNOCENT life their eyes turn blue. And when Derek told Peter that something was his fault he was referring to them getting captured by the werewolf hunters. Although, I did hear that the Tates will be more important towards the end of the season but I still don't think Peter turned her him being a werewolf and Malia being a Werecoyote and all.

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    • ^ Also look at the obvious.  Peter wasn't an Alpha 8 years ago

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    • Do you guys think if she will be in more episodes?

      because she's kinda hot ya all know 

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    • 84.83.147.40 wrote: Do you guys think if she will be in more episodes?

      because she's kinda hot ya all know 

      You need to sort out your priorities if the main reason you want her back is she's hot. What about how stupid it is to bring a new were-creature in for two episodes and do nothing else with it? What about the fact that there was ATLEAST a year of the Hales being alive with thing child were was running around their territory and nobody noticing and doing something about it? Or better yet, when all those hunters were running around willy jolly killing creatures, they didn't find her?

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      malia is peter daughter

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      Malia is Peter's daughter!!!!!!

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    • Maybe she-wolfs like Talia, all start out as a werecoyote? Maybe she was the she-wolf the hunters were looking for.. There's a reason Talia took the memory away.. Just makes sense to me.

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    • Landocurdy wrote:
      Maybe she-wolfs like Talia, all start out as a werecoyote? Maybe she was the she-wolf the hunters were looking for.. There's a reason Talia took the memory away.. Just makes sense to me.

      I don't think so.

      I think Malia mother was something and maybe Peter didn't know.

      Can't wait to see if they ever show her mom to see if shes a person we've seen or not.

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    • I really think you guys are going too deep with things. This is my opinion, but, simple knowledge and reasoning should give us some answers. I don't think Malia's mom was supernatural.. I think Peter fell in love and Malia was the result.. She's a hale and carries the same trait as Talia and Laura. The hunters at the beginning of the season were torturing Derek and Peter looking for the she wolf.. I personally believe that's her.. Theres a reason Talia went through so much trouble to remove the memory from Peter. It probably contributed to how messed up Peter is, without him actually knowing that's why he carries so much rage and anger.. Losing his love and child could do that. I'm simply saying my theory an idea, but, if you really think about it, this makes the most sense, without making the storyline so outrageous.

      Malia is the she wolf. She is a hale and more likely than not, carries the same gene as her Aunt and Cousin. I said it immediately after the episode ended last night and it still makes the most sense to me.

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    • Landocurdy wrote:
      I really think you guys are going too deep with things. This is my opinion, but, simple knowledge and reasoning should give us some answers. I don't think Malia's mom was supernatural.. I think Peter fell in love and Malia was the result.. She's a hale and carries the same trait as Talia and Laura. The hunters at the beginning of the season were torturing Derek and Peter looking for the she wolf.. I personally believe that's her.. Theres a reason Talia went through so much trouble to remove the memory from Peter. It probably contributed to how messed up Peter is, without him actually knowing that's why he carries so much rage and anger.. Losing his love and child could do that. I'm simply saying my theory an idea, but, if you really think about it, this makes the most sense, without making the storyline so outrageous.

      Malia is the she wolf. She is a hale and more likely than not, carries the same gene as her Aunt and Cousin. I said it immediately after the episode ended last night and it still makes the most sense to me.

      I believe some of that is true. Though part of your reasoning for his attitude idk yet because he was shown to be shady when he was younger. So for that to have affected his personality it would have had to been before that and thats all time line stuff.  I also dont believe she was the she wolf they were looking for because shes not a wolf.

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    • Maybe human + werewolf = werecoyote?

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    • Loupi wrote:
      Maybe human + werewolf = werecoyote?

      That's exatcly what I thought. Peter may have had sex with a human resulting in a werecoyote, not a werewolf.

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    • This makes me even more curious about that crash since the claw marks on the side of the car appeared to be the same size or bigger than scott's hand

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    • It doesn't make sense that they would be looking for a 'she-wolf' whom they never met, and was actually a coyote. Just like in English, wolf and coyote are different words in Spanish.

      I wonder if she didn't take the memory after the wreck. Maybe he was so distraught after his baby mama and child died, he was uncontrollable, or so grief stricken she thought it was better for him to forget. It would certainly be interesting to learn the why. Oh! Maybe she was leaving her husband and driving to Peter's. That would certainly cause a lot of guilt and self rage and stuff.

      Either way, I knew she was coming back. It made no sense to bring her in and show us a new creature, and then just leave it dangle.

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    • you can find the link to the article on this wiki thread:

      http://teenwolf.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:108169

      but in the interview Ian states that Talia took the memory because she didn't want Peter corrupting the child.

      I wonder how Talia would feel if she knew Malia had been a werecoyote for 8 years and unable to transform? or that not knowing what she was became an integral part of the death of her mother and sister? idk I just think Talia's interference in this one may have caused more trouble than it prevented (at least thus far).

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    • Maybe Malia is a werecoyote because of emotional turmoil from being adopted, like the kanima effect. Remember Derek said sometimes the shape you take reflects the person you are, so maybe emotional mutation + hale blood = werecoyote

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    • RemyObburn
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      64.56.252.39 wrote:
      Maybe Malia is a werecoyote because of emotional turmoil from being adopted, like the kanima effect. Remember Derek said sometimes the shape you take reflects the person you are, so maybe emotional mutation + hale blood = werecoyote

      ....that's just my theory (just made my account just making it known that i wrote this)

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    • Landocurdy wrote:
      I really think you guys are going too deep with things. This is my opinion, but, simple knowledge and reasoning should give us some answers. I don't think Malia's mom was supernatural.. I think Peter fell in love and Malia was the result.. She's a hale and carries the same trait as Talia and Laura. The hunters at the beginning of the season were torturing Derek and Peter looking for the she wolf.. I personally believe that's her.. Theres a reason Talia went through so much trouble to remove the memory from Peter. It probably contributed to how messed up Peter is, without him actually knowing that's why he carries so much rage and anger.. Losing his love and child could do that. I'm simply saying my theory an idea, but, if you really think about it, this makes the most sense, without making the storyline so outrageous.

      Malia is the she wolf. She is a hale and more likely than not, carries the same gene as her Aunt and Cousin. I said it immediately after the episode ended last night and it still makes the most sense to me.

      I would be full of anger and rage too if my family died in a fire. 

      If a werecoyote is the child of a werewolf and a human, wouldn't Deaton have mentioned that when he found out about Malia, that she was the daughter of a werewolf? 

      Dere said there were humams in his family in 1x04. Maybe humams married into his fa,mly and you need 2 werewolves to have a werewolf.  

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    • Although that theory makes some sense, I hope they're not going that route again. Mostly because, like, Isaac has plenty of emotional baggage and he's a perfectly normal werewolf so that theory already is basically "we wanted another creature but we didn't want to put in the effort to make it actually another creature".

      Perhaps Malia's mother was a werecoyote or maybe you only get a werewolf when two werewolves have a child, and otherwise you get a werecoyote -- maybe it's like a halfbreed or something. There's too much we don't know to be certain of anything. For all we know, Malia's family was given false memories and Malia isn't actually theirs -- just Talia thought they would be a good family.

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    • Has anyone given the thought that the mom was also a WereCoyote and you know thats just how the daughter ended up but turned on the moon because of the half werewolf in her 

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    • Heres my theory on the coyote thing: malia is peters daufhter cuz hes a perverted dracula character bangin every thing in sight lol, so she inherited the were wolf gene but when she killed her family she rejected her human side and got stuck in animal form. She became a coyote cuz the shap u take reflects the person u are. She definetly wasnt gonna find a pack and be badass but also wasnt so far to the left as the kanima. Coyotes are actually cousins of wolfs so it not a huge change. I have conflictong info on this but apparently coyotes DONT hunt in packs so i believe she took the form of a coyote cuz she rejected the wolf aspect and just wanted to be alone. She may change back to  a wolf later like jackson but we ll see. Comments?

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    • i also assume that eyes and other traits are universal across all species/the board cuz when derek healed cora he was weakend and when jennifer healed deucalion she was affected simmilarly so i personally will assume the same for everything until other wise explained

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      Heres my theory on the coyote thing: malia is peters daufhter cuz hes a perverted dracula character bangin every thing in sight lol, so she inherited the were wolf gene but when she killed her family she rejected her human side and got stuck in animal form. She became a coyote cuz the shap u take reflects the person u are. She definetly wasnt gonna find a pack and be badass but also wasnt so far to the left as the kanima. Coyotes are actually cousins of wolfs so it not a huge change. I have conflictong info on this but apparently coyotes DONT hunt in packs so i believe she took the form of a coyote cuz she rejected the wolf aspect and just wanted to be alone. She may change back to  a wolf later like jackson but we ll see. Comments?

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      heres my theory on the coyote thing: malia is peters daughter cuz hes a perverte dracula character bangin every thing in sight lol, so she inherited the werewolf gene but when she killed her family she rejected her human side and got stuck in animal form. she became a coyote cuz the shap u take reflects the person u are. she definetinaly wasnt gonna find a pack and be badass but also wasnt so far to the left as the kanima. coyotes are actually cousins of wolfs so its not a huge change. i have conflicting info on this but apparently coyotes DONT hunt in packs so i believe she took the form of a coyote cuz she rejected the wolf aspect and just wanted to be alone. she may turn back into a wolf later like jackson but we ll see. comments?

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    • also, how did mr. tate come across her? Im thinking that after talia took the memory, maybe she took the memory of peters wife/gf too?then his wife/GF met tate and had malias younger sister, and in the process mr tate became her new dad, and they changed her name to tate, then that accident happened, and then i guess that the hales just ignored her, and talia made peter ignore it too

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    • im sure it was an affair or something this is peter we're talking about not exactly the hight of ethics debate, which might be why talia took his memory so he wouldnt tear up a nice family.

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    • Not sure why but I have a feeling that Peter killed Malia's sister and mother. This was before the fire so Peter was probably out on a full moon and smelled 'him' but it was Malia, and his werewolf parental instinct kicked in.

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    • Badasswollfman wrote: im sure it was an affair or something this is peter we're talking about not exactly the hight of ethics debate, which might be why talia took his memory so he wouldnt tear up a nice family.

      I agree about it likely being an affair. But I somehow don't see Mr. Tate as being a 'good husband.' And Talia trying to keep together a 'good/happy family' He just...gave off a creeper vibe, and a good man, even a grief stricken one, wouldn't set bear traps all over a preserve where he knows people visit, and the cross country team uses. I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to learn he was abusive.

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    • Yeah, I agree lady.. There is clearly more to Mr Tate than meets the eye..

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    • ^ thanks! ^_^

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    • Again, I completely agree.. I really think there is a lot more to Mr Tate than meets the eye and that there is a lot more to him than we know. That's just my opinion.

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    • he ssemed genuinely greived to me but im going off of what agent mccall was saying about the not kowing driving people nut so i felt that was the point the show was driving at  but who knows. bear traps: not everyone is as smart as us.

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    • Bennett89 wrote:
      Not sure why but I have a feeling that Peter killed Malia's sister and mother. This was before the fire so Peter was probably out on a full moon and smelled 'him' but it was Malia, and his werewolf parental instinct kicked in.


      that could b the reason talia took his memory. otherwise it just seems like a dick mov just leaving her to lose control like that. peter did seem exited that he he had a child maybe he tried to reclaim her

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    • Badasswollfman wrote:
      Bennett89 wrote:
      Not sure why but I have a feeling that Peter killed Malia's sister and mother. This was before the fire so Peter was probably out on a full moon and smelled 'him' but it was Malia, and his werewolf parental instinct kicked in.


      that could b the reason talia took his memory. otherwise it just seems like a dick mov just leaving her to lose control like that. peter did seem exited that he he had a child maybe he tried to reclaim her

      Good one, maybe it was Peter.

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    • I really think the /coyote/ thing is a state of mind thing. A bit like the Kanima, as in your mind, emotions, actions, personality uses the shapeshifter gene to adapt and California has tons of Coyotes so there. She might might of been a wolf at the beginning but digressed to a coyote to survive on her own and in this environment. 

      And if she is an Hale and Peters daughter, she didn't get bitten. Its part of her already and wouldn't be the first Hale to fully transform in animal form.

      Peter might of attacked the mother if she was trying to get the girls away from him. But during the attack Malia went wolf/coyote/beast form and tried to defend mother and little sister. The entire thing caused the death of both. Talia found Peter and removed the memory of what he had done knowing that he'd be a sucky father (Oh shush, he would suck you all know it). 

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    • Neilandio wrote:
      It doesn't look like she is the killer, the scratch marks on the side of the car are too big for a 9 year old to do. We also shouldn't forget this is not a werewolf so the blue eyes may not mean she is a killer.

      Isnt she a werewolf, because living in the forest turned her into the Werecoyote.

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    • Ugh Peters daughter. I feel bad for her.

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    • 184.158.26.5 wrote:
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      It doesn't look like she is the killer, the scratch marks on the side of the car are too big for a 9 year old to do. We also shouldn't forget this is not a werewolf so the blue eyes may not mean she is a killer.
      Isnt she a werewolf, because living in the forest turned her into the Werecoyote.

      Every single time she's been talked about she's been referred to as a werecoyote. She has never once been described as a werewolf at all. And that's literally all we know.

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    • SHE IS A WEREWOLF. SHE IS FROM THE HALE FAMILY!!...a werecoyote is someone who was stuck in another body for a long time.. just like that.. malia was stuck in her wolf body for a long time..Wht im trying to say is..MALIA IS NOT A WERECOYOTE ANYMORE

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    • 99.126.18.238 wrote:
      Ugh Peters daughter. I feel bad for her.


      we all do, stiles too

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    • Alpha Mccall wrote: SHE IS A WEREWOLF. SHE IS FROM THE HALE FAMILY!!...a werecoyote is someone who was stuck in another body for a long time.. just like that.. malia was stuck in her wolf body for a long time..Wht im trying to say is..MALIA IS NOT A WERECOYOTE ANYMORE

      It makes no sense to call someone stuck in their shifted form a werecoyote, unless they are a coyote. Just because she is a Hale doesn't mean she can't be a coyote instead of a wolf. They are both canines, and it's been stated by Derek that 'sometimes the shift reflects who you are' If she was always a loner, or a sly sneaky person she might just shift into a coyote seeing as the are sneaky loner animals, as opposed to wolves which are pack animals.

      Why would you think she is no longer a werecoyote?

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    • Alpha Mccall wrote:
      SHE IS A WEREWOLF. SHE IS FROM THE HALE FAMILY!!...a werecoyote is someone who was stuck in another body for a long time.. just like that.. malia was stuck in her wolf body for a long time..Wht im trying to say is..MALIA IS NOT A WERECOYOTE ANYMORE

      Based on exactly what information?

      I mean, she literally JUST called herself a werecoyote. In the present tense. In the latest episode.

      Malia Tate is a werecoyote and you're just going to have to wait for the show to tell you why.

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    • Grahamburglar wrote:
      Alpha Mccall wrote:
      SHE IS A WEREWOLF. SHE IS FROM THE HALE FAMILY!!...a werecoyote is someone who was stuck in another body for a long time.. just like that.. malia was stuck in her wolf body for a long time..Wht im trying to say is..MALIA IS NOT A WERECOYOTE ANYMORE
      Based on exactly what information?

      I mean, she literally JUST called herself a werecoyote. In the present tense. In the latest episode.

      Malia Tate is a werecoyote and you're just going to have to wait for the show to tell you why.

      Yep, why would she just change from a werecoyote to a werewolf? 

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    • ^And that is a question we will hopefully be getting an answer to soon!

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    • my mistake..i forgot that derek once said in season 2..he said sometimes the shape you take reflects the person u are...a werecoyote is a lone animal..and malia was kinda alone for the past eight years.. so instead of turning into a werewolf which is a pack animal, she turns into a werecoyote

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    • After watching the first few episodes and knowing what I know. This is what I've concluded about Malia having a connection to the nogitsune.   We all know the nogitsune was possessing her from the white eyes and the fact that she was going after Kira.  Deaton stated that the way to exorcise the nogitsune is to change the body of the host.  When Scott changed Malia back to her human form with his alpha roar, the nogitsune left her body and latched on to Stiles.  This is where it really gets foggy since this will probably be revealed more in depth in the upcoming episodes.  But is the nogitsune still somehow connected to Malia?  Remember, they're tricksters.  She seduced Stiles and made him help her to turn back into a werecoyote, but at the end of the latest episodes, she walks out of the Eichen House with her eyes turning blue.  Does that mean she already can turn into a coyote?  Stiles it that human element that balances out the show so I don't see him being turn into a werewolf by Scott so they'll find some way to keep him human.  Maybe it latches back onto Malia.  Who knows.  This should be an interesting few upcoming episodes. I can' wait. 

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    • 67.169.88.184 wrote:
      After watching the first few episodes and knowing what I know. This is what I've concluded about Malia having a connection to the nogitsune.   We all know the nogitsune was possessing her from the white eyes and the fact that she was going after Kira.  Deaton stated that the way to exorcise the nogitsune is to change the body of the host.  When Scott changed Malia back to her human form with his alpha roar, the nogitsune left her body and latched on to Stiles.  This is where it really gets foggy since this will probably be revealed more in depth in the upcoming episodes.  But is the nogitsune still somehow connected to Malia?  Remember, they're tricksters.  She seduced Stiles and made him help her to turn back into a werecoyote, but at the end of the latest episodes, she walks out of the Eichen House with her eyes turning blue.  Does that mean she already can turn into a coyote?  Stiles it that human element that balances out the show so I don't see him being turn into a werewolf by Scott so they'll find some way to keep him human.  Maybe it latches back onto Malia.  Who knows.  This should be an interesting few upcoming episodes. I can' wait. 

      I really wanna werewolf Stiles tho

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    • 67.169.88.184 wrote:
      After watching the first few episodes and knowing what I know. This is what I've concluded about Malia having a connection to the nogitsune.   We all know the nogitsune was possessing her from the white eyes and the fact that she was going after Kira.  Deaton stated that the way to exorcise the nogitsune is to change the body of the host.  When Scott changed Malia back to her human form with his alpha roar, the nogitsune left her body and latched on to Stiles.  This is where it really gets foggy since this will probably be revealed more in depth in the upcoming episodes.  But is the nogitsune still somehow connected to Malia?  Remember, they're tricksters.  She seduced Stiles and made him help her to turn back into a werecoyote, but at the end of the latest episodes, she walks out of the Eichen House with her eyes turning blue.  Does that mean she already can turn into a coyote?  Stiles it that human element that balances out the show so I don't see him being turn into a werewolf by Scott so they'll find some way to keep him human.  Maybe it latches back onto Malia.  Who knows.  This should be an interesting few upcoming episodes. I can' wait. 

      I can agree that Malia might have been hosting the nogitsune due to th eyes, and forcing her to change back to her human form seems like it would have exorcised the nogitsune... but Malia never went after Kira. Malia went after her sister's doll -- which was in Stiles' backpack which Kira was carrying.

      I'm only mentioning it (because otherwise this all makes sense to me) because I think that's something very telling about either Malia or the nogitsune -- possibly both. The value he or she puts on family and/or remembering family. Given that we're about to have an episode with some serious flashbacks, I think we all need to remember how much of this season has focused on forgotten family or desperately trying to remember family -- Derek got his mom's claws to talk to her, Peter's memory of being a father was erased, Malia willing to kill to hang onto a momento of her dead family members, Mr. Tate willing to kill out of vengeance for his long dead family, Mr. Argent talking to that woman about his dead wife,  not to mention Mr. Argent's flashback of his first weapons sale under his father's orders.... and whatever we're going to learn about Mrs. Yukimura's past tonight. There is a definite theme going on here.

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    • ^ agreed. Definitely a major theme this season. And it will likely be crucial.

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    • Grahamburglar wrote:
      67.169.88.184 wrote:
      After watching the first few episodes and knowing what I know. This is what I've concluded about Malia having a connection to the nogitsune.   We all know the nogitsune was possessing her from the white eyes and the fact that she was going after Kira.  Deaton stated that the way to exorcise the nogitsune is to change the body of the host.  When Scott changed Malia back to her human form with his alpha roar, the nogitsune left her body and latched on to Stiles.  This is where it really gets foggy since this will probably be revealed more in depth in the upcoming episodes.  But is the nogitsune still somehow connected to Malia?  Remember, they're tricksters.  She seduced Stiles and made him help her to turn back into a werecoyote, but at the end of the latest episodes, she walks out of the Eichen House with her eyes turning blue.  Does that mean she already can turn into a coyote?  Stiles it that human element that balances out the show so I don't see him being turn into a werewolf by Scott so they'll find some way to keep him human.  Maybe it latches back onto Malia.  Who knows.  This should be an interesting few upcoming episodes. I can' wait. 
      I can agree that Malia might have been hosting the nogitsune due to th eyes, and forcing her to change back to her human form seems like it would have exorcised the nogitsune... but Malia never went after Kira. Malia went after her sister's doll -- which was in Stiles' backpack which Kira was carrying.

      I'm only mentioning it (because otherwise this all makes sense to me) because I think that's something very telling about either Malia or the nogitsune -- possibly both. The value he or she puts on family and/or remembering family. Given that we're about to have an episode with some serious flashbacks, I think we all need to remember how much of this season has focused on forgotten family or desperately trying to remember family -- Derek got his mom's claws to talk to her, Peter's memory of being a father was erased, Malia willing to kill to hang onto a momento of her dead family members, Mr. Tate willing to kill out of vengeance for his long dead family, Mr. Argent talking to that woman about his dead wife,  not to mention Mr. Argent's flashback of his first weapons sale under his father's orders.... and whatever we're going to learn about Mrs. Yukimura's past tonight. There is a definite theme going on here.

      I don't want to read this.

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    • After reading most of this thread I just wanted to say that imo, I think Peter was the one that attacked the car with Malia in it. I don't think he was in his right mind or even thinking...I believe it was an instinctual motivation. I could be wrong though, either way I hope we learn more soon.

      On a side note...I noticed it was mentioned that 8 years ago Peter wasn't an Alpha. While that is a safe assumption to make and even one that I believe,  I have learned that unless something has been specifically shown or mentioned then it is just not a "fact" in Teen Wolf lore. Even then it is subject to change as we've seen with dates and times given that conflict with earlier seasons. Just keep it in mind folks! :) 

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    • Jestermonkey4u wrote: After reading most of this thread I just wanted to say that imo, I think Peter was the one that attacked the car with Malia in it. I don't think he was in his right mind or even thinking...I believe it was an instinctual motivation. I could be wrong though, either way I hope we learn more soon.

      On a side note...I noticed it was mentioned that 8 years ago Peter wasn't an Alpha. While that is a safe assumption to make and even one that I believe,  I have learned that unless something has been specifically shown or mentioned then it is just not a "fact" in Teen Wolf lore. Even then it is subject to change as we've seen with dates and times given that conflict with earlier seasons. Just keep it in mind folks! :) 

      What? You think he was co-alpha-ing with Talia? Somehow I can't see that working, from what we know of Peter. And now Talia seeing as she took her own brother's memories from him, of his own child. With the way Peter was acting with Lydia, I highly doubt she did it with his permission. No matter what her excuse, that's a douche move.

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    • LadyX wrote:

      Jestermonkey4u wrote: After reading most of this thread I just wanted to say that imo, I think Peter was the one that attacked the car with Malia in it. I don't think he was in his right mind or even thinking...I believe it was an instinctual motivation. I could be wrong though, either way I hope we learn more soon.

      On a side note...I noticed it was mentioned that 8 years ago Peter wasn't an Alpha. While that is a safe assumption to make and even one that I believe,  I have learned that unless something has been specifically shown or mentioned then it is just not a "fact" in Teen Wolf lore. Even then it is subject to change as we've seen with dates and times given that conflict with earlier seasons. Just keep it in mind folks! :) 

      What? You think he was co-alpha-ing with Talia? Somehow I can't see that working, from what we know of Peter. And now Talia seeing as she took her own brother's memories from him, of his own child. With the way Peter was acting with Lydia, I highly doubt she did it with his permission. No matter what her excuse, that's a douche move.

      As I said, I don't believe that he was an Alpha then either but in my case I am saying that I "believe" that he wasn't. I cannot state that he wasn't as a fact when no such fact has been presented to any of us concerning this. There is a lot of evidence that suggests he wasn't so it is a pretty safe assumption to make but again it isn't canonized.

      I agree that what Talia did was a pretty douchey thing to do. We simply don't know how the Alpha status' work in the werewolf families. It may not matter but if a werewolf has children, can they then become an Alpha, seeing as though they would become the head of their own family, does this also extend to werewolf status? Idk. I don't have a strong opinion about it but I do think that is an interesting idea. IF this can happen then maybe that is why Talia took Peter's memories. She feared what kind of Alpha he would become. This may not be the case at all but I think it is an interesting bit of speculation. Did Talia become the Alpha because she had children? Was her Alpha status inherited, passed on from the former Alpha or taken? We simply don't have that information. Of course it may not ever be answered or even matter.

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