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  • so....we know Stiles is possessed, but did anyone catch at the end where shadow stiles says, "you threatening US, WE are not really afraid of your little fireflies" to Kiras mom?

    does that mean it has control over several people? if that is the case, it makes me believe that Allison may also be under its control. It would make sense with her hallucinations, urge to kill her friends, phone turned off without her knowing etc. It may or may not be the case, but who are the "us" and "we" that the Nogitsune is referring too, could they be just other spirits on his side like the Oni?

    One last thing, who, or what do you think Kira's mom was referring too when she said, "if the Oni cant stop you, I know what will"

    thoughts?

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    • This is all being discussed in the "Riddled Discussion" topic right below this one. Sometimes it helps to read lol. You basically mirrored my original post from that topic too, which is either very cool Nd 2 great minds think a like, or.... Not.

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    • If anything that makes it seem like there is more than one possessor, or Nogitsune, in the area, not one being possessing multiple people. Or, like the biblical Legion, there are multiple possessors in Stiles.

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    • Her daughter.

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    • I just assumed the "we" was a continuation of how the nogitsune was talking to Stiles in the first place...when he had the "trap" on his leg...the nogitsune referred to him and Stiles as "we" which Stiles didn't like too much. 

      Don't think Allison is possessed but that doesn't mean the nogitsune can't change hosts and that she couldn't be in the future. And I agree with 204.87.16.4...I think Kira is the one that can stop it.

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    • Teen Wolf seems to be following the legend that says there are only three ways to kill a kitsune (it's worth noting that this only applies to myths where the kitsune is a spirit that possess people, like the nogitsune in teen wolf):

      1. Eaten by an oni or dragon

      2. Exorcism

      3. Blessed or magical weapons

      Since Mrs. Yukimura said someone that can stop him these are my guesses:

      1. They are introducing a dragon character

      or

      2. Kira is a special kind of kitsune that can perform an exorcism.

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    • ^that comment about the blessed of magical weapon is interesting...wasn't there an interview where Posey said that one of this favorite scenes this season with Stiles involved a sword (maybe that could be the magic weapon?)

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    • Ravensong77 wrote:
      ^that comment about the blessed of magical weapon is interesting...wasn't there an interview where Posey said that one of this favorite scenes this season with Stiles involved a sword (maybe that could be the magic weapon?)

      Makes sense. There is a picture floating around the wiki that has what appears to be Mrs Yukimura facing the bandaged man with a a japanese sword. Maybe that is a blessed sword.

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    • I'm assuming Kira is the only one that can stop Stiles.  She's a kitsune.  The only one we're aware of us so far.

      BTW, am I the only one that likes Stiles with powers?  When he went through the Oni, I was like "yeah!".  Now he doesn't have to take a backseat to anyone.  If/ when they get the evil spirits out of him, it would be cool if they left with him with some enhanced reflexes and powers.  

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    • ^Amen.

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    • 204.87.16.4 wrote: I'm assuming Kira is the only one that can stop Stiles.  She's a kitsune.  The only one we're aware of us so far.

      BTW, am I the only one that likes Stiles with powers?  When he went through the Oni, I was like "yeah!".  Now he doesn't have to take a backseat to anyone.  If/ when they get the evil spirits out of him, it would be cool if they left with him with some enhanced reflexes and powers.  

      I certainly wish they would develop the whole "spark" thing they brought up in s2, and maybe give him a little magic backup power.

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    • Stiles wasn't speaking when he referred to "us" and "we". It was the nogitsune speaking through Stiles. The nogitsune was speaking for himself and his host, Stiles, when he said "us" and "we". As for who Mrs. Yukimura was referring to when she stated that she knows somebody that can defeat the nogitsune, I don't know. I do believe Mrs. Yukimura would kill Stiles in order to destroy the nogitsune but ik Scott and his friends will find away to kill the nogitsune AND save Stiles.

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    • When "Stiles" told Momma Kira "Are you threatening us" he wasn't Stiles at all. It was the Nogitsune inside of Stiles referring  to himself as if there were two. Remember earlier when Stiles was dreaming that the Nog said "We're trying to save you". It's just how the Nogitsune speaks. 

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    • By I know what will, I think she meant Kira. I think that Kira will end up doing something towards the end of the season. I thought the person in the bandages was Gerard :D! haha, but no seriously, your theorie on US and WE referring to others being possessed(inc. Allison) could possibly correct. I agree, you get a thumbs up

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    • I think the nogitsune can switch host or can posses more than one person at a time.

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    • 142.197.83.37 wrote:
      When "Stiles" told Momma Kira "Are you threatening us" he wasn't Stiles at all. It was the Nogitsune inside of Stiles referring  to himself as if there were two. Remember earlier when Stiles was dreaming that the Nog said "We're trying to save you". It's just how the Nogitsune speaks. 

      Surely if the Nog said "we're trying to save you" TO Stiles, he can't be including Stiles in the "we"?

      I'm probably being dumb, but I at first assumed the Nog was using the "we" as the royal "we" haha, but it would make sense for it to refer to several entities/people, as Jeff does not normally leave anything up to chance.. But the we does not have to refer to two seperate possesed people, it might refer to several entitites, and the other entitites have not taking over hosts yet?

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    • I definitely thought the Nogitsune was just using we in the same way as the Symbiote Venom does, but I'm open to believing it is possessing multiple people at the same time. Also I do think she was talking about Kira, they cut right to her after she said that. If I'm not mistaken, didn't we see a short clip of her fighting Oni with a sword in the 3B season preview?

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    • 95.149.92.195 wrote:

      142.197.83.37 wrote:
      When "Stiles" told Momma Kira "Are you threatening us" he wasn't Stiles at all. It was the Nogitsune inside of Stiles referring  to himself as if there were two. Remember earlier when Stiles was dreaming that the Nog said "We're trying to save you". It's just how the Nogitsune speaks. 

      Surely if the Nog said "we're trying to save you" TO Stiles, he can't be including Stiles in the "we"?

      I'm probably being dumb, but I at first assumed the Nog was using the "we" as the royal "we" haha, but it would make sense for it to refer to several entities/people, as Jeff does not normally leave anything up to chance.. But the we does not have to refer to two seperate possesed people, it might refer to several entitites, and the other entitites have not taking over hosts yet?


      That's actually A really smart, and completely sensible theory. Villains tend to be full of themselves, full of megalomania, so it would make sense for him to refer to himself we the royal plural. Of course, he might not be delusional in his grandeur, he might actually be that important too. Or, like m theory, there might be multiple entities possessing Stiles, kind of like the biblical Legion.

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    • RonDavisJr wrote:
      I definitely thought the Nogitsune was just using we in the same way as the Symbiote Venom does, but I'm open to believing it is possessing multiple people at the same time. Also I do think she was talking about Kira, they cut right to her after she said that. If I'm not mistaken, didn't we see a short clip of her fighting Oni with a sword in the 3B season preview?

      I think she was talking about Kira but from the scene with the lamp it also looked like she was a Kitsune so not sure why she'd need Kira's help unless shes a weaker Kitsune.

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    • Again, I just think that it's too obvious of a guess to be Kira. Don't get me wrong, it very well could be her and they could have been foreshadowing and she could really be special.. It's not a far fetched theory or idea.. I personally always like to think of the "not so obvious" guess or theory and in this case, I just think there's a lot more to it and it will be someone that will surprise us.

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    • One string that showed up this epi was the connection between Barrow, the sanatory and this "camp" from WW2 - mentioned in the phone calls Allison received. Eichen Hall ... Eichen is German and means Oak.  Oak Creek was mentioned in the call. Kira's dad might have said that there was no camp with this name in California, but I am pretty sure, that the Yukimura family with their long family tradition in Beacon Hills knows exactly that this camp existed and they are hunting this nogitsune far more longer then just a few weeks. This goes far longer back. Remember the pics we have seen of shooting in a temple and these old WW2 trucks?


      Another point, why was Allisons phone off? Who sent these messages/ calls? Is there another nogitsune that tries to take her over as well?

      And, seeing the scene in wolf watch... this is an arrow, shot by a tripwire.. looks pretty much "hunter style" to me. Maybe Allisons struggle with her dead aunt is still not won?

      What do you think?

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    • LadyX wrote:

      204.87.16.4 wrote: I'm assuming Kira is the only one that can stop Stiles.  She's a kitsune.  The only one we're aware of us so far.

      BTW, am I the only one that likes Stiles with powers?  When he went through the Oni, I was like "yeah!".  Now he doesn't have to take a backseat to anyone.  If/ when they get the evil spirits out of him, it would be cool if they left with him with some enhanced reflexes and powers.  

      I certainly wish they would develop the whole "spark" thing they brought up in s2, and maybe give him a little magic backup power.


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    • Yeah I think it would be cool for Stiles to have his own powers in the show too.

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    • Rheia Argent wrote:

      One string that showed up this epi was the connection between Barrow, the sanatory and this "camp" from WW2 - mentioned in the phone calls Allison received. Eichen Hall ... Eichen is German and means Oak.  Oak Creek was mentioned in the call. Kira's dad might have said that there was no camp with this name in California, but I am pretty sure, that the Yukimura family with their long family tradition in Beacon Hills knows exactly that this camp existed and they are hunting this nogitsune far more longer then just a few weeks. This goes far longer back. Remember the pics we have seen of shooting in a temple and these old WW2 trucks?


      Another point, why was Allisons phone off? Who sent these messages/ calls? Is there another nogitsune that tries to take her over as well?

      And, seeing the scene in wolf watch... this is an arrow, shot by a tripwire.. looks pretty much "hunter style" to me. Maybe Allisons struggle with her dead aunt is still not won?

      What do you think?

      Damn, I'm a German language student...how did I not catch that??

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    • Rheia Argent wrote:
      One string that showed up this epi was the connection between Barrow, the sanatory and this "camp" from WW2 - mentioned in the phone calls Allison received. Eichen Hall ... Eichen is German and means Oak.  Oak Creek was mentioned in the call. Kira's dad might have said that there was no camp with this name in California, but I am pretty sure, that the Yukimura family with their long family tradition in Beacon Hills knows exactly that this camp existed and they are hunting this nogitsune far more longer then just a few weeks. This goes far longer back. Remember the pics we have seen of shooting in a temple and these old WW2 trucks?


      Another point, why was Allisons phone off? Who sent these messages/ calls? Is there another nogitsune that tries to take her over as well?

      And, seeing the scene in wolf watch... this is an arrow, shot by a tripwire.. looks pretty much "hunter style" to me. Maybe Allisons struggle with her dead aunt is still not won?

      What do you think?

      oh yeah i remember the trucks but not the temple

      i think you're maybe right about Allison all arrows (pun intended) point to her being possessed or being possessed in the future

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    • Loupi wrote:
      Rheia Argent wrote:
      One string that showed up this epi was the connection between Barrow, the sanatory and this "camp" from WW2 - mentioned in the phone calls Allison received. Eichen Hall ... Eichen is German and means Oak.  Oak Creek was mentioned in the call. Kira's dad might have said that there was no camp with this name in California, but I am pretty sure, that the Yukimura family with their long family tradition in Beacon Hills knows exactly that this camp existed and they are hunting this nogitsune far more longer then just a few weeks. This goes far longer back. Remember the pics we have seen of shooting in a temple and these old WW2 trucks?


      Another point, why was Allisons phone off? Who sent these messages/ calls? Is there another nogitsune that tries to take her over as well?

      And, seeing the scene in wolf watch... this is an arrow, shot by a tripwire.. looks pretty much "hunter style" to me. Maybe Allisons struggle with her dead aunt is still not won?

      What do you think?

      oh yeah i remember the trucks but not the temple

      i think you're maybe right about Allison all arrows (pun intended) point to her being possessed or being possessed in the future

      If she is possessed too will Scott also end up being too because he was also part of the  surrogate sacrifices.

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    • ^When Derek and Aiden were talking about Stiles being the Nogitsune and Derek said "power" i immediately thought of Scott but i'm glad he meant electricity lol.

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    • Loupi wrote: ^When Derek and Aiden were talking about Stiles being the Nogitsune and Derek said "power" i immediately thought of Scott but i'm glad he meant electricity lol.

      Funny, I immediately thought of Stiles' Spark, from s2, that has never been developed.

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